Kev's Dungeoneering Keying Guide (Updated 9/3/12)

[Imp334]

Oh ok then, that makes sense, thanks
By the way, I also recommend this guide to everyone, even if not interested in keying. Having a whole team who knows this stuff works a lot better than having the keyer know it and everyone else aimlessly wandering around

[Dave]

Nice guide, glad you took the time to write it.

There are a few things I personally disagree with, but most of it I agree with.

1. When it comes to rushing everyone should be doing most of this, not just keyers. The only thing that a 'keyer' should be doing more than the rest of the party members is directing the flow, assigning gates, organizing.
2. Primal battleaxe vs prom 2h. Touchy subject in the dg'ing community...I tend to believe the baxe is slightly better than the 2h...I know its better vs some monsters but worse vs others. If you don't have a csb the 2h makes pathing easier (hello warriors - good luck vs them with a baxe).
3. Start of the dg (as a keyer) - I strongly believe that opening the map and making runes benefits the team much more than just running in a direction opening rooms with the ggs. I personally can't dungeoneer without knowing where I am on the map and without thinking which path the ggs should be on.
4. (Just emphasizing map reading...) Open the map OFTEN
5. Not sure how many w67'ers use it, but among the people I dg with "wyg" (name) is an abbreviation for "what's your gate"

[Kevinsaurus]

Nice guide, glad you took the time to write it.

There are a few things I personally disagree with, but most of it I agree with.

1. When it comes to rushing everyone should be doing most of this, not just keyers. The only thing that a 'keyer' should be doing more than the rest of the party members is directing the flow, assigning gates, organizing.
2. Primal battleaxe vs prom 2h. Touchy subject in the dg'ing community...I tend to believe the baxe is slightly better than the 2h...I know its better vs some monsters but worse vs others. If you don't have a csb the 2h makes pathing easier (hello warriors - good luck vs them with a baxe).
3. Start of the dg (as a keyer) - I strongly believe that opening the map and making runes benefits the team much more than just running in a direction opening rooms with the ggs. I personally can't dungeoneer without knowing where I am on the map and without thinking which path the ggs should be on.
4. (Just emphasizing map reading...) Open the map OFTEN
5. Not sure how many w67'ers use it, but among the people I dg with "wyg" (name) is an abbreviation for "what's your gate"

Thanks for reading over and for the feedback Dave, I'll go ahead and add those tidbits in. Yea the beginning of the dungeon thing is sort of just what I do lol. I kind of rely on people to make those runes and to be able to move the ggs immediately if I need it done. The 2h/Baxe subject is definitely very touchy lol... still extremely debatable and so many different analyses done. Since most people don't have a hex, I suppose baxe might be better, but I think there was some test (don't remember where I read/saw it) that claimed 3 2h's and 2 baxes were better than 2 2h's and 3 baxes. Then again, I don't really know or sure. It's really all about how you use your weapon. Too many people have the baxe and attack the wrong monsters with it, which is unfortunate. Didn't know about "wyg", haven't actually seen in in W67 before, but I'll add it anyways ;)

[Machae]

Superb guide - many thanks indeed for it.

Sadly the timeframes are something of a pipedream for me atm, but it is great to have a target to work towards.

[Kevinsaurus]

Superb guide - many thanks indeed for it.

Sadly the timeframes are something of a pipedream for me atm, but it is great to have a target to work towards.

No problem, hope it helped you
And yea, definitely, they're just future ideal goals =p, no need to rush towards them or anything. It took me a few months just to get down from 25 minute to 15 minute dungeons, and that was with quite a lot of dungeoneering too. It's different for everyone, and it just takes practice and determination ;)

[Myles]

One thing I'd also like to clarify, having got a tier 10 Blitzer role ring that this is equal to if not superior to a Blazer ring- while the Blazer ring seems like it might do more damage and is nice on some bosses ie. necrolord I've noticed that the Blitzer ring often has a much higher dps. than others using mage on a floor- however if you are not planning on getting your mage ring to tier ten then I'd probably recommend the Blazer role because as we all know in accordance to the law of Jagex, it may say 10% chance of casting magic slower but that will end up being half the time.

[Dave]

One thing I'd also like to clarify, having got a tier 10 Blitzer role ring that this is equal to if not superior to a Blazer ring- while the Blazer ring seems like it might do more damage and is nice on some bosses ie. necrolord I've noticed that the Blitzer ring often has a much higher dps. than others using mage on a floor- however if you are not planning on getting your mage ring to tier ten then I'd probably recommend the Blazer role because as we all know in accordance to the law of Jagex, it may say 10% chance of casting magic slower but that will end up being half the time.

Blitzer ring is slightly more (not much higher) damage per second than blazer at tier 10, blazer is recommended more often because it conserves runes.

[Myles]

Yeah they are both equally good I'd say, I just wanted to make the clarification so that people were aware that there are two good mage rings not just one option

[Kevinsaurus]

Thanks for the clarification on that you two, it's a very good point that I forgot about =p. Not that I mage that much of course, but you would Myles xD

[Myles]

Yes if it was acceptable I'd mage the entire dungeon
Also something i just thought of today is the benefits from bonfire bonus! 5 Logs of almost any type should get you an 8% health bonus, which is about an extra 79 lifepoints at level 99, should last you for an entire floor. Every bit helps

[Imp334]

thats right, I forgot about that.
Bonfire boost timer is based on log type (maples ~30mins magics =60mins)
boost % is based on firemaking level. every 10 lvs is a 1% boost

[Aeversme]

This is great info, even for those of us who are total Dung noobs and have no hope of getting that good at keying or dunging in general (I'm probably only speaking about myself, sadly). Thanks for putting the time into this guide, I'm keeping it open while I flounder about in Daemonheim trying to get a few hundred thousand xp per week...

[Kevinsaurus]

Oh yes, bonfires! I use them every dungeon myself but I guess I forgot to include it haha.

And no problem Aev, take your time =p. This guide's sort of geared towards keying, but for the most part, any good dger should know pretty much all this information generally anyways.

[Kevinsaurus]

Update to guide: I just got back from my vacation yesterday, so I should definitely have more time to play now, and I'm hoping to get with a few friends and make that video guide to accompany this text guide soon! Give me maybe.. a week or two and I should have it up hopefully . I'm really hoping it'll help those who just want to see what sort of things happen in a quicker-paced dungeon.

[Kevinsaurus]

Sorry for the delay on getting a video out, trying to figure out how to get video software I can use and all and finding time with people to do such a dungeon. Also, a heads up that this guide with have several edits after the combat update, so if you've read this before, it's a good idea to read it again after the update. I'll make a post at the time after I update the guide with a list of all updates and changes made to this guide. But anyways yea, hopefully I can get a video out soon.